Tanscription of Wild Within Interview with Jacqui McGinn

Transcript of interview
Time: 26:03 minutes

Jessy:  There you go. Okay, so we are now recording. So, welcome to this interview with Jacqui, the wonderful Jacqui. And so, I’m doing these Wild Within interviews to get to know how other people manage to stay in touch with their wild within. And also, it’s an excuse to get together with my friends.

Jacqui:  It’s always a good excuse, isn’t it?

Jessy:  So, Jacqui, I’ve known you for, goodness knows, it’s been a while hasn’t it? Yes, we’re talking years and years. And Jacqui does wonderful Theta healing. Did I say that right? Theta healing.

Jessy:  And you do some amazing, amazing work. I think we connected years ago when you were working on your Pieces to Peace and we connected and we talked about narcissism and the effects of that. But also, you’ve been a wonderful friend and you’ve supported me in so many ways, especially trying to get me to be more visible, which is absolutely petrifying. But you’ve done it in such a loving way.

Jacqui:  Your photos are amazing as well.

Jessy:  I know but you keep saying show your face. I’m like, No. I don’t want to show my face.

Jacqui:  Yeah. Like plants and stuff.

Jessy:  I am getting braver. I’m trying. I am trying.

Jacqui:  You are. You are.

Jessy:  So, did you want to say a little bit about yourself? Like, you know, what’s kind of made you decide to come on this path and just a little bit about yourself?

Jacqui:  Yeah, well, for me, it all kind of started with a breakdown. Like you know, most of us have some kind of really messy spiritual awakening and you know, Jung talks about, Carl Jung talks about kind of like will do. Humans basically do like really crazy stuff to avoid facing their soul. And yeah, pretty much a breakdown with my way of like avoiding pain, because it was easier to go to the edge of sanity, than it was to feel pain.

Jacqui:  A very natural human reaction really, isn’t it?

Jacqui:  Oh, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I look at it now. And it’s kind of like, yeah, the breakdown or physical illness was the only options available at the time because it didn’t have any tools. Dealing with everything that was happening. And then kind of at the end of that breakdown, it kind of abruptly ended with a thought of like I have to end my life. And another part of my mind went, whoa, that’s not me. And then I kind of vowed to find out what happened. Well, I initially I thought it was to stop other people going through the same but now I realized that what happened to me, is to help people complete what’s been started in my experience. And yeah, the name pieces to peace came to me after a talk by Robert Holden in 2014. And it’s just like a living thing that has just taken me down all these different explorations. And yeah, I’m it’s slave.

Jessy:  It sounds so powerful, but it is, I mean, whenever you talk about it. It’s like, you know, you get your pieces that are You to get to the point of peace, which is kind of everything that we’re striving for. Isn’t it?

Jacqui:  I think one of the things, kind of like, the visions were quite vague for it. It was kind of like a symbolic vision that I was seeing of a person who’s got like a central core and then they’ve got kind of like all these lights around them representing pieces. And then another person who’s the same but when their pieces a little bit windy the elements are joining in. The worst situation, well what we really want to get to is kind of like coexisting. Being kind of like two complete whole people coming together. But what often happens especially with like, you know, narcissistic relationships, domineering, controlling relationships is like one person’s kind of, you know, they kind of so stuck together that there’s no space for either of them to like, be who they really are. And it takes a lot of work to recover that kind of spot like that sovereignty, that kind of being who you are, and being in relationship with people, as well. It’s a challenge.

Jessy:  Gosh, what a journey you’ve been on, honestly. And I know for a fact that, you know, what you have been on has helped so many other people. I mean, I know when we chatted years ago, it really helped me.

Jacqui:  Oh good.

Jessy:  What kind of things have you done to almost say, get rid of the conditions that have been put on you? I mean, I talk about Carl Rogers, you talk about Jung, so it’s quite interesting.

Jacqui:  Yeah, I guess you find you find your mentor, you find the work that resonates, I mean, I see it that there’s multiple levels to it, that we’ve got to work on. And so, it’s like, the Theta healing aspect. It’s basically a form of psychic healing. So, it’s kind of like dealing with that level of it. And often, at the heart of it all its trauma. Yeah. But it’s kind of keeping problems like that in place. And I know, like, I was looking for the magic bullet, you know, because trauma happens like that. You expect that the healing is gonna happen like that as well, but it doesn’t. It’s because it’s just like a huge, that’s why I am saying it like a bolt of lightning. It just kind of goes through your entire being. And to kind of reintegrate yourself after that bowl of lightning is a big task, and your body holds the truth, your emotions show you the way. And it’s about kind of learning their language. They’re never there to trip you up and they’re never there to be a problem. They’re there to help solve the problem. And then, you know, the kind of beliefs that are going on, that are going on that kind of went along with the trauma. And I know with my own journey that, actually before I had the suicidal thoughts, I experienced the trauma the night before. And, you know, like they say, all the experiences that happened at that time all get wired together. So, it’s been this process of unpicking and what was going through my mind because it got so deeply, you know, wired together. It wasn’t actually anything traumatic that was happening. It was the story in my head, in a kind of trance state. Just got so strongly wired in. That’s why it took ages to actually find the root of it. And then to kind of like unpick all the things that were going on around it. But yeah, I think it is. I see it now as like six elements of like, so the earth the physical body, the water the emotions, air or wind the you know thinking mind, fire kind of like the imagination creative psychic mind. And then making peace with the void, the nothing that fit. And then I see that the storm is that sixth element because you can’t avoid the storms of life. You know you have to learn, life comes with storms. It’s the resilience of like, if a lightning strike comes. Being able to deal with it.

Jessy:  Yeah. Wow. And it ties in you know, because I talk about kind of Wild Within which is our primal instinctual self, and it feels like it ties, I mean, we are all pretty much saying similar things aren’t we? But in different language if you’d like.  And I love that because it’s so true. It’s sort of like we have so many different elements to us. And the bit about feelings. We hide away from feeling so much, don’t we? But really, they come with messages, but in a very uncomfortable way that we’re like, oh, I don’t want to deal with that. Thank you very much.

Jacqui:  Oh, yeah, yeah, and because emotions have been demonized and pathologized. It’s just kind of like, oh, well, if you’re feeling there’s something wrong with you isn’t there. And then kind of like, you know, and if anger comes, or even rage or hatred, which have valuable messages for us, when you know how to work with them. But, you know, they’re seen as problems. And so, if you’re experiencing them, oh there’s something wrong with you, but actually, like, look at the state of the world and things that go on. If you’re not accessing those emotions, you’re out of touch with reality. Obviously not feeling them all the time.

Jessy:  But we all sell this image, aren’t we, that we have to be happy all the time. And it’s sort of like, you know, smiles and happiness all the time. And it’s like, why should we? That isn’t reality. Reality is we go through these kind of roller coasters, you know, throughout our lives, even maybe throughout the day. And it’s a case of kind of, okay, you know, they’re like visitors, but they’re not here to stay maybe but they just come here like the postman. You don’t bring the postman in the house and kind of hold him sabotage. Do you? Hostage I mean not sabotage. Hostage. So, what kind of things do you do to kind of stay to your true self, you know, and have your own true voice?

Jacqui:  That’s probably a work in progress. But I do kind of daily like check in when I spot patterns, and I, you know, just had a big one that I spotted, like overnight basically. The pattern of kind of allowing everybody else’s insecurities to take over what I know I need. Like letting other people’s insecurities be louder than my faith. And because insecurities breed noisy behavior, don’t they? So, it’s, you know, it’s the compassion and the curiosity. I think are kind of like the superpowers that help you navigate the kind of like okay, right this problem’s come up. What’s going on there? What’s really lovely about Theta healing is like, theta healing really takes you into space of love. And that’s, you know more and more, that’s one of the things that I’m really appreciating about it like the goal is unconditional love. And initially you kind of learn it but you see it outside of yourself. But the whole goal is to really gradually realize that it is you, you know, that love is you. And so I find you know, I’m trained in hypnotherapy as well and so when I’m working with clients; when I trained in it, I kind of was taking them, because hypnotherapy you kind of take people down, and theta healing. Usually, like the practitioner is the one that kind of goes into the trance and does the work, but I tend to take my clients in as well. And I find that by taking them up into the space, they know they’re supported in love, compassion while we explore the root of whatever it is that’s causing their difficulty.

Jessy:  They need a safe space to be able to kind do the hard work because like you just said you can’t do anything from the space of trauma because then you’re just kind of you go into yourself and you shut down and there’s that yeah, you need you.

Jacqui:  You need like that bigger you, don’t you? To be able to like look at the hard stuff.

Jessy:  And almost like the collective You because we’re not in this on our own, are we? As I’m sure you found with everyone that you work with, it’s you know, similar things come up and you start seeing patterns and that’s what I call our basic kind of reactions to things, our instinctual reactions. Gosh that sounds so powerful. So, what kind of grounding things do you do to keep yourself in a well grounded, I guess? Get my words in.

Jacqui:  I should do more. You know there’s a thing wrong. Well we could all do more.  Yeah, I do like to kind of go for walks and you know, the old hippie, walk on the grass and bare feet.

Jessy:  Why is that hippie? I find that fascinating. To me, that’s just normal. I never used to wear shoes. It was just like awful.

Jacqui:  Oh really.

Jessy:  Yeah, because it was so hot. I would be barefoot pretty much the whole time. So, for me, it’s not a hippie thing that’s just

Jacqui:  No, it’s just normal.

Jessy:  Yeah, it’s just too cold in the UK.

Jacqui:  I think that, you know, there is a really interesting thing about kind of this whole image of a hippie. That a hippie wants, like peace and love. When actually peace and love are hard. But not kind of like floaty, like smoking pot kind of peace and love. It’s peace and love are hard…whack.

Jessy:  But it’s not even a hippie thing. I think it’s just like, from a very basic kind of human need, animal need. We want that balance. We want that kind of, peace, equilibrium, whatever you want to call it. And does it have to be hard? Do we make it hard? Do we overthink things?

Jacqui:  I think when I do see us getting to a point where it won’t be as hard as it is now, I think the trouble is that Western society in particular, has got so disconnected from our true nature. This is the Wild Within, isn’t it? Kind of like your true nature is in connection. I’m sorry, my Internet’s unstable.

Jessy:  Oh, no, you’re coming across fine to me. Yeah.

Jacqui:  Our true nature is balance, is connection with nature, like we’re part of a bigger ecosystem. And because it’s like we’ve got a traumatized humanity at the moment. And the trauma’s, kind of blocking the awareness of that connection that’s already there. And so, I know there’s more and more awareness of trauma. And like adverse childhood experiences, and the effects that it all has on behavior and how we treat each other, how we treat the earth. And I think this kind of growing awareness of and how complex it is, that we can naturally heal trauma. But it does take lots of different approaches to do it. And it’s recovering these natural abilities that we have to heal, to find balance and equilibrium and moving away from the distractions. Because it’s so easy to distract yourself. It’s a lot easier to kind of like scroll through social media, binge watch TVs and TV programs and it is a lot easier to do that than it is to kind of face the stuff. The liberation comes from going through this stuff doesn’t it?

Jessy:  Yes, yes. And this is exactly it, isn’t it? That we, we almost dive into the distractions. Anything to numb us so we don’t actually feel because it’s uncomfortable. And it’s challenging and difficult to go through these feelings. And I always say it’s like with physical health where we’re almost taught from day one, oh, this is how you brush your teeth, this is what, you know, you were taught all of these things, but with mental and emotional health, it’s almost like, like you say, we go through a breakdown and then it’s like, I need to do something. You know. So, I think

Jacqui:  Yeah and often I think it takes to break down to see the need to do anything, isn’t it?

Jessy:  Exactly, exactly so it’s almost like as a society, especially in the Western world, we are so out of touch and out of sync of kind of what we need as humans, as animals. You know, we work, I don’t know, stupid hours and you know, we were looking at screens the whole time. Half of us don’t even go outside in the natural air. And I’ve got my window open as you could tell with the wind. But you know, is that a lot of the time you’re in offices that the ventilation is fake as well and the lights are fake and all of that. What does our animal side then do with that? You know what I mean. Brilliant. So, if you were an animal, this is my kind of cheeky, fun question. What would you be and why?

Jacqui:  Oooh. Ah. Oh Crickey. It’s making me think of like, Northern Lights and a demon.

Jessy:  A demon. Oh, I like that.

Jacqui:  And it’s interesting because one of my students when I was teaching Japanese in College, we were talking about Northern Lights and like what would your demon be? And ahe told me like I think yours would be a deer cause you’re graceful. I never saw myself as graceful so it’s just really odd to kind of see somebody else but yeah, maybe it would be a deer like the kind of wandering around, munching on bushes and trees and being cute. And then being really really fast and running away.

Jessy:  Brilliant. And it makes me think of like that magnificence, you know, Scottish Highlands and then you just see the deer up there. Yeah, fantastic. Actually, when I think of you, it’s almost like a phoenix. So again, like, maybe not demon ish but that kind of mythical creature type of thing.

Jacqui:  I was gonna call my book, Living Phoenix for a while.

Jessy:  No way. Fantastic.

Jacqui:  I had a whole metaphor around it, but yeah, then let it go. Pieces to Peace was coming through too strong. That’s my name. You’re not changing it?

Jessy:  Yes, yes. And it’s been that for years hasn’t it? Pieces to peace.

Jacqui:  Year 2014 is when that name came, but it has been like an exploration of like, what the hell is it like, you know, cause it’s been quite vague. This is my journey of like discovery. And like, Elizabeth Gilbert’s idea, like an idea will come along. But it’s like it’s had to shape me into the version it needed to do it justice when I share it.

Jessy:  Brilliant. It’s like Wild Within it just you know, because it was like, right, and I’m not gonna write a book. And then it’s sort of like, no, this is what it is. This is the name, you’ve got to do it. And I’m like, but I can’t at the minute. So, I totally get it. It’s like when the idea downloads it could, I was going to say controls, but it takes you on this journey, doesn’t it? And its sort of like, this is what you have to do. And we’re almost like, okay, then take us on it. But what a journey hey,

Jacqui:  Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah.

Jessy:  And I’m just so grateful that I’ve got people like you to be on this journey with because you get it as well. Don’t you?

Jacqui:  Yeah, it would be a bit much on your own. Wouldn’t it?

Jessy:  Definitely definitely okay. So, we’re just coming to the end. So, is there anything that you wanted to promote or anything you wanted to share with anyone who’s watching?

Jacqui:  So, at the time of the interview its being set up but the plan is, by the time this is out the Pieces to Peace network will be up and running more, which is kind of like a way for people who are on this path, people who are interested like whether it’s Wild Within, Pieces to Peace, this idea of kind of being the whole of who you are, and listening to the whispers of the universe and listening to the whispers of your soul coming together and networking, not business networking, but kinda like soul networking, like connecting. How can we help each other move forward and then in that kind of like quiet, connected space, okay, what’s my next step? The getting quiet in connection with others, honoring the wholeness in each other and that we’re all on a journey, that kind of networking, meeting and additional kind of like, you know, intention setting action taking sessions as well reflection sessions following synchronicity, all of these kinds of things.

Jessy:  Sounds so powerful. I can’t wait. I can’t wait for it. But obviously, I’ll put the link around the recording somewhere. But yeah, we’re recording this in, well, it’s the last day of July, but the plan is to have them go live maybe September, October time and that’s going to come around in the blink of an eye, isn’t it? I

Jacqui:  Oh yeah.

Jessy:  It’s going. So, I will put the link to that around.

Jacqui:  2020 quite the year.

Jessy:  Well I keep thinking its clarity, though, isn’t it? It’s almost like right. This is it. You’ve got it. It’s got to be clarity around everything. Let’s cut through all the bullshit, all the layers. This is the truth. Yeah, that’s how I’m seeing it. And it really is. It’s making us face those uncomfortable, challenging feelings and thoughts that we’ve been hiding from all these years. It’s needed though isn’t it?

Jacqui:  Oh, God yeah.

Jessy:  Yeah, definitely. Brilliant. Well, thank you so so much, Jacqui. As always, such a pleasure to connect. Okay. Fantastic. Well take care and we will see you soon obviously. Bye